C. Custer posted an article named 《Racism in China》. It seems that I have made a big trouble in my article 《Evolution》. Mr.Custer said:
So is it ignorance or indifference that caused most people (including the bloggers themselves) to ignore the racism and post the image?
Let me tell you why:
1、None of my race ever caught and shiped any single black man from Africa to China as slave. So I can make fun of them, just as they can make fun of me. So, What the damn "Racism" is?
2、There is no any single black man in China has been treated differently. They can take any bus as they want, enter any college as they wish, date any girl as they like. So, What the damn "Racism" is?
3、I am sick of "Political correctness". It is because what you American have done makes the word "Negro" a taboo. You guys can not make any joke on skin color only because some of you named "KKK" had special predilection in skin color when they tried to make their human-flesh-barbecue. You guys do need the "Political correctness" . It is a made-in-USA taboo, a made-in -USA G-point, but count me out, please. So, What the damn "Racism" is?
4、On the very day I first knew there is Black Men exist in this world, I thought that they do look like the ape. It is neither Black men's nor my fault, DNA made it. I can't help laughing when I think of the ape, which calls "solecism", not "Racism" . So, What the damn "Racism" is?
5、Even when your charming Obama is using money-making machine to resolve economic crisis, I only blame him as a waterful-mouthed political vase. I don't say "go back to Kenya jungle, take banana as much as you can". See? I know What the "Racism" is.
By the way, is there any "Racism" for white man? Maybe A ape with albinism?
Feb 18th,2009. 《NewYork Post》
三月 23rd, 2009 at 3:12 上午
三月 23rd, 2009 at 3:38 上午
不懂美国黑人农奴的血泪史，不发表意见...
我只知道在贵国这幅图很受老百姓喜欢。
三月 23rd, 2009 at 3:47 上午
哈哈 菜头被人误解后 急忙下了篇英文文章回应...
整篇文章最牛的就是这句I don't say "go back to Kenya jungle, take banana as much as you can". See? I know What the "Racism" is.
-.-
三月 23rd, 2009 at 4:01 上午
1、None of my race ever caught and shiped any single black man from Africa to China as slave. So I can make fun of them, just as they can make fun of me. So, What the damn "Racism" is?
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none?
好吧。。。我想：抓，船运，单身，非洲直达中国。。大概可能也许没有吧。。。
不过不要因为我国历史上那时候比较弱。。就如此坚定判断吧。。
历史上讲，我们未必是和菜头想得那么清白。
不过我坚信没什么可过敏的，在一个地区之间都可以歧视滴国度，外国人，无论黑白，还构不成racism的对象。。其实。。
三月 23rd, 2009 at 4:21 上午
你可以再结合最近yahoo有个专门发表中国情况的blogger的文章，“在中国买不到高配置电脑”（文中很傻的暗示中国zf限制人民买电脑的自由）：http://news.yahoo.com/s/mcb_china/20090321/wl_mcb_china/china200903yeswehavenocomputershtml
现在有很多外国人，懂一点中文，住在中国，享受着一等公民的待遇，随便上中国的女人，没事写写关于中国现状的文章。说两句好话自有中国人感动的痛苦流涕，写点阴暗面便会被说成是揭露真相在自己的国家文化圈受人敬佩
但问题在于，一个白人，当他决定学习中文时，以我的了解，80%是找不到出路了，在本国学商学工都烂没办法而为之的选择，就是这么一帮废人，借着中国的崛起，关注的提升而成为一个更为西方人所愿意相信的信息渠道来报道中国，不能不说是双方的悲哀
从我个人来说，因为身在西方的缘故，阅读也没有障碍，有很多机会接触这样的文字或报道，已经厌倦了这样的所谓“中国通”的表演了，外国人的思维我们没办法左右，但我希望，我们自己应该骄傲一些，至少让这些人在中国不要这么自在，不要这么舒服的高人一等而在中西间左右逢源，因为真的，无论是国内高端杂志还是电视节目里介绍到的一些老外，很多的水平实在是很低，只是靠着会说中文并相对来说了解中国（生活在这个国家，这个难道不是应该的吗），而收到国人的追捧，而反过来，因为中国追捧的平台较高，他们又会成为自己国家报道中国时首先找到的渠道，于是，因为两地（主要是西方对中国）交流了解不畅，一群劣质的媒介获得了大量的生存空间
三月 23rd, 2009 at 4:32 上午
菜头，其实你没必要还真的对他们的观点多在意，越反驳他们越得瑟
现在的西方主要媒体都会搞个专门介绍中国的栏目，看到现在，除了bbc和wsj，其他的（甚至包括economist）我觉得都不比新浪记者高明多少，都是些什么吸引眼球写什么的货色，认真你就输了
三月 23rd, 2009 at 4:43 上午
郁郁葱葱，海外留学生中你这种2比很多，原因有二，一国内社会经历少，国外社会经历也少 二，国外混不开，扶清灭洋
三月 23rd, 2009 at 4:47 上午
楼上，言而无物的网络攻击不能伤害对方一分，随你发泄吧^^
三月 23rd, 2009 at 4:50 上午
另外，我已经工作了，谢谢
什么时候留学生被认为是海外中国人失败者的第一代表了呢，导致留学生团体被骂，实在是误伤啊
三月 23rd, 2009 at 4:51 上午
从我个人来说，因为身在西方的缘故，阅读也没有障碍，有很多机会接触这样的文字或报道，已经厌倦了这样的所谓“中国通”的表演了
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啥玩意啊，充什么大瓣蒜阿，还西方呢，还阅读呢，小留现在多的跟蚂蚁似的，等你看美剧不用字幕再说吧
三月 23rd, 2009 at 5:05 上午
你给的雅虎那人是鬼扯。一个雅虎blogger鬼扯，所有的西方媒体都鬼扯了？？小留如你，都是这样，到了国外，哎呀，美国也有虱子啊，纽约大街上都有乞丐啊，我们的中央台不错啦，我们的当领导很好了。问题是，你了解中国现实嘛，你是外国人还是中国人啊？
三月 23rd, 2009 at 5:08 上午
菜头针对的好。
顺便说一下， answer，别丢中国人的脸。
三月 23rd, 2009 at 5:16 上午
您们牛刀。
三月 23rd, 2009 at 7:05 上午
我在外企工作，那天看到了，也觉得evolution有种族歧视，所以没敢给老外同事发，害怕让人瞧不起中国人吧，但是都给中国同事发了看了，大家都觉得比较搞，
我总觉得自己才是世界上最被歧视的一群，甚至比那些非洲人还倒霉啊。
三月 23rd, 2009 at 7:54 上午
别的图都很搞，尤其是中国的，简直绝了。但是非洲那张我也感觉有一些indifference。
三月 23rd, 2009 at 7:59 上午
天哪，和菜头这真的是你脑袋里的所思所想吗？？？您真成上帝了还，您就能确定所有的外国人（不管黑人白人）都在中国被平等的对待了吗？您真的可以把这篇文章放进《中国不高兴》里面了。
这种逻辑这种思维方式。。。。请允许我再天哪一次。
三月 23rd, 2009 at 8:39 上午
看不懂得文盲飘过…………只知道Racism是啥……
三月 23rd, 2009 at 8:48 上午
好像一般不说G point 而说G spot。
三月 23rd, 2009 at 8:49 上午
清洗甲板!!!
三月 23rd, 2009 at 9:21 上午
9楼的answer同学我怎么觉得你太激动了呢
三月 23rd, 2009 at 9:27 上午
看不懂得文盲飘过…………连Racism都不知道是啥……
三月 23rd, 2009 at 9:32 上午
看不懂得文盲飘过…………只知道G point 是啥……
我承认,我复制粘贴了
三月 23rd, 2009 at 9:40 上午
"It is neither Black men's or my fault"
you are supposed to use "neither... nor..." rather than neither... or...
不过菜头英语真是相当厉害，显然过了六级:-)
三月 23rd, 2009 at 9:45 上午
勉强能看懂的飘过,感觉楼主说的有道理.有时候很多话,从黑人嘴里说出来就让人笑的要死,从白人嘴里说出来就引起一片沉默.
前几天又看了野兽良民,里面提到美国现在的做法好像是对之前黑奴时代的一种补偿,因此产生了一个法案.具体情况不是很清楚了.
三月 23rd, 2009 at 9:49 上午
又及,也许是错觉,感觉楼主腔调神似黑人牧师......
三月 23rd, 2009 at 9:56 上午
中国自己的问题是民族问题。但这个更难讨论，而且是“外人不得干涉”的内政。所以老外也只能找这种自己能理解的“种族”话题来说事儿了。
外国的教育内容其实没有中国人想的那么开放自由，也有“政治正确”的问题。尽管这种“正确”在我们看来是比较合乎普遍价值观念的。但有时过于敏感和强调，同样会引发走极端的事例。推荐对"racism"感兴趣的人看看《美国X档案》这部电影。其中主人公变成三K的原因，是他父亲所在的消防队为了完成“照顾有色人种”的就业指标，用不太称职的黑人顶了白人老员工的班。这种情况是否可以视为另外的一种"racism"呢？
三月 23rd, 2009 at 10:05 上午
@ #2
胡说。中国对黑人的歧视挺强烈的。中国不是有好多专门追去白人的女孩吗? 不过一提到黑人她们就不感兴趣了, 甚至很反感. 这不叫种族歧视吗?
其实整个东亚都存在这种看不起黑人的态度. 我的韩国朋友老说在韩国人看来, 世界上最好的人是白人. 第二是韩国人,第三是别的亚洲人.最讨厌的是黑人.
三月 23rd, 2009 at 10:05 上午
脑子里有什么的人就看到什么。
内图本来就一玩笑 大家哈皮一下，非要take it seriously, 还拼命钻牛角尖。 没意思。
大叔是考虑到主流影响才跟他们较真的么@_@
三月 23rd, 2009 at 10:12 上午
我也觉得, 这篇文章完全可以放到里了, 通篇菜头都在说我们历史上或现在没有把黑人怎么怎么样, 所以我们这么讲究不是种族歧视了, 这简直是一派胡言.
我觉得只要是以种族为特征的, 特意贬低就有种族主义之嫌, 更重要的, 是否可能对对方造成伤害才是关键, 而不是自己怎么说以前啥都没干过.
你把这张照片拿到非洲街头, 给黑人看, 你会觉得别人一点感觉没有, 不会觉得被冒犯? 要是没被打, 我就服你这不算 种族歧视.
黑人历史上也没侵犯过中国吧, 如果有人写篇文章或者用漫画, 把中国人都描述成体弱无能的小矮子, 你老一定觉得也不是歧视吧.
三月 23rd, 2009 at 10:17 上午
中国人就是看非洲人像猩猩 上海人就是看外地人是乡巴佬 某某人就是看河南人像骗子 新疆人像小偷 乙肝携带者像瘟神 黄种人都像生番 女人都像荡妇 人民都像p 打工仔都像打工机器 别人都像狗
基因使然。
三月 23rd, 2009 at 10:32 上午
以前没有的以后就不会有？什么JB逻辑？
非洲那副图，的确冒犯人了，没什么可说的。
在中国，地域歧视、民族歧视随处可见，没有Racism？瞎掰吧？怎么这时候，楼主搞不清所谓中国现实了呢？
三月 23rd, 2009 at 10:38 上午
这帮老外越来越狭隘了。
这哪里是racism？这明明就是幽默好不好。连自嘲精神都没有 啊。。。
写这文章的老外肯定没来过中国。
奥运前，王小峰的博客上ps了一个图，把葡萄牙的国旗ps成高露洁，来了好几个葡国蛮夷开口大骂……
唉，非我族类其心必异呀 哈哈哈
解放巴黎的那批PLA还在吗？整装待发 准备去解放地球吧
三月 23rd, 2009 at 10:44 上午
Racism不只是指着不公平的政府政策。您说“There is no any single black man in China has been treated differently.”可真可笑，您认识住在中国的黑人吗？您去问问他们有没有受到歧视才说吧。
其实，您这个回应比post本来的那个图racist多了，可是我看您也不在乎，我给您解释中国人为什么还应该在乎您也不愿意听话，是不是？美国人呀，肯定不懂事，是不是？
三月 23rd, 2009 at 10:51 上午
英文也可以写的这么有趣
他们是没看懂那幅图？
明显丫是故意的
就该修理
三月 23rd, 2009 at 11:00 上午
An Old Joke
Dear white, something you got to know. 亲爱的白种人，有几件事你必须知道。
When I was born, I was black. 当我出生时，我是黑色的。
When I grow up, I am black. 我长大了，我是黑色的。
When I'm under the sun, I'm black. 我在阳光下，我是黑色的。
When I'm cold, I'm black. 我寒冷时，我是黑色的。
When I'm afraid, I'm black. 我害怕时，我是黑色的。
When I'm sick, I'm black. 我生病了，我是黑色的。
When I die, I'm still black. 我死了，我仍是黑色的。
You--white people, 你－－白种人，
When you were born, you were pink. 当你出生时，你是粉红色的。
When you grow up, you become white. 你长大了，变成白色的。
You're red under the sun. 你在阳光下，你是红色的。
You're blue when you're cold. 你寒冷时，你是青色的。
You are yellow when you're afraid. 你害怕时，你是黄色的。
You're green when you're sick. 你生病时，你是绿色的。
You're gray when you die. 当你死时，你是灰色的。
And you, call me"color"? 而你，却叫我"有色人种”？
三月 23rd, 2009 at 11:01 上午
非我族类其心必异。
呵呵，if he is not of our race,he is sure to have a different mind，经鉴定，这句话完全可以贴上种族主义标签。
贵国的康有为先生曾建议，可以通过改变饮食、通婚甚至是绝育的方式来白化黑人。他也算一绝。
三月 23rd, 2009 at 11:13 上午
哦，还有，我不是说美国不存在种族歧视，也不是说我不懂这片附图好笑的部分。可是，我的意思是：无论是不是好笑，无论中国有没有美国那么强烈的种族歧视历史，黑人看到这个图片都会有个伤心的感觉，或可能会生气。您们不觉得“racist"没关系，标准得是他们是否觉得racist. 现在，对您们来说，可能没有什么大的区别，因为中国的黑人很少。我是说，中国与非洲的关系越来越密切，住在中国的黑人越来越多，将来您们可能必须多点考虑他们的感情。，因为您可能得跟他们一起工作，一起生活什么的。
@ 哈种种，我住在中国。
三月 23rd, 2009 at 11:15 上午
那图是一个玩笑，老外较真有点可笑。关键在于艺术作品中就算有些微racism，也是允许的。
不过，也不能因此说中国完全没有racisim。更不能说，因为我允许对方对我开种族主义玩笑，我就没有种族主义了。就像法律上的诽谤罪犯人不能以这样的论据辩解：我也允许你诽谤我啊！
至于前面回应的Answer，你有啥理由就断定郁郁葱葱混得不好而且还国外国内经历都少？上来就只会谩骂，你这样的回应，只能证明你自己是“入门级右派”之耻。
三月 23rd, 2009 at 11:20 上午
wynn Says:
三月 23rd, 2009 at 8:48 上午
好像一般不说G point 而说G spot
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三月 23rd, 2009 at 11:23 上午
@C. Custer：
中国的黑人被区别对待了？有饭店是白人可以进而他们不可以进的？有商场是白人可以去而他们不可以去的？还是如同你们南方过去一样，如果他们和黄种姑娘恋爱，就会被私刑问吊？
三月 23rd, 2009 at 11:24 上午
菜头这篇水平和左粪小将差不多，一句话 -- defensive and spinning.
这充分说明了，大部分人，或许他们的具体观点极端对立，但他们的思维方式和道德水准其实是很接近的。
菜头blabla了这么多，都没有能真正否认别人对自己“Racism”的质疑。
三月 23rd, 2009 at 11:28 上午
@C. Custer：
那么，第一张关于欧洲人的图片，白人看了会不会大怒？因为它在说“返祖”，一种进化过程中的倒退。
如果黑人都如同你所说的那么感性，都能觉察到七层垫子下的豌豆，那么这个世界大概没有一块地方适合他们呆。
三月 23rd, 2009 at 11:29 上午
@北京棋迷：
“Racism”需要行动的，白痴！
三月 23rd, 2009 at 11:34 上午
这帮老外越来越狭隘了。
这哪里是racism？这明明就是幽默好不好。连自嘲精神都没有 啊。。。
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这我不能同意，是不是offensive主要看受众当事人的感受。在我们看来也许没有主动的恶意，也许只是说个笑话，这只能说我们是无意的，并不能说别人就不会受伤害。己所不欲勿施于人，外国人也有取笑我们中国人的小笑话，有的是基于种族偏见，有些甚至是基于事实，但我们听了还是很不爽，对不对？
比如下面这个，一个留学的女孩和实验室同事一起聊天，大家谈论起油价，当时油价很贵，于是一个男同事（白人）打趣说，咱们在这儿扯淡也扯不出城里哪儿的加油站最便宜，还是听MM（中国女孩的英文名字）的吧，她的结论最权威，因为中国人总是知道最便宜（cheap）的东西在哪儿？哈哈哈...... 然后大家哄堂大笑。
据那个MM说，那个同事和她关系很好，大家绝对不是有意的取笑他，他们的本意肯定只是活跃一下气氛幽默一把。但她当时听了，心理还是很难受。
我们是不是也能从这里面感悟点什么呢？
三月 23rd, 2009 at 11:39 上午
呵呵，和菜头脑袋里的海绵体充血了，他大概不知道发生在广州的一些事情。
我赞同北京棋迷，“大部分人，或许他们的具体观点极端对立，但他们的思维方式和道德水准其实是很接近的。”
三月 23rd, 2009 at 11:40 上午
大部分的笑话都和种族、性有关。中国也流行黑人为什么不吃黑巧克力的脑筋急转弯，那又怎么了？
中国人总知道哪里有最便宜的东西，如果觉得不爽，那就去买贵的。如果做不到，那就继续听笑话。
三月 23rd, 2009 at 11:42 上午
@guava_72：
北京的望京地区我都觉得应该夷平，别说广州的小村落。
对了，这叫民族主义，还是不叫种族主义。
三月 23rd, 2009 at 11:46 上午
下面这个贴是人民群众谈广州黑人
http://tieba.baidu.com/f?z=498141714&ct=335544320&lm=0&sc=0&rn=30&tn=baiduPostBrowser&word=%B9%E3%D6%DD&pn=0
其实没什么大道理，跟歧视乡下人，歧视残疾人，歧视新疆人，我们北方人歧视南蛮子，歧视穷鬼一个样
三月 23rd, 2009 at 11:52 上午
中国人总知道哪里有最便宜的东西，如果觉得不爽，那就去买贵的。如果做不到，那就继续听笑话。
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菜头，你的意识形态暴露的太彻底了 -- 其实也没什么新鲜的，无非是丛林法则那一套 -- 我只能部分同意，从当事人自强不息的角度我同意你，但从offender的角度，我觉得对他人及其种族民族的起码尊重还是需要的，这不是什么他妈的政治正确，这叫礼貌，叫家教 -- 人要是没了家教，再聪明在不傻逼又有屁用？
三月 23rd, 2009 at 12:07 下午
我上中学的时候，恨铁不成钢起来和你也差不多。现在不那么神经质了，不过看臭棋篓子下棋有时候还是很着急，觉得丫太他妈笨了，太傻逼了，就差指着丫鼻子骂出来了 -- 其实，咱心里清楚，丫棋臭不臭关我屁事，咱皇上不急太监急啥？
或许每个人内心对自身优越感的渴望都是人性之本源，但人性的本源并不等于就是正确的，否则“理智”就得靠边站了。
和菜头的解释，只能说明我们每个人的内心都存在racism发生的土壤，对自身优越感的渴望，对与自己不同者的恐惧不信任甚至憎恨，等等等等。但你blabla的这些只能达到让别人understand你的目的，并不能让别人agree你。
就像你说第一次看见黑人第一个反应是黑猩猩一样，我的第一反应也是这样，可别诡辩，这和你理直气壮的有意把黑人比作黑猩猩是两回事，别说你不知道这里面的差别。
我们内心中的自然反应是一回事，我们如何对待他是另一回事，“自然的就是正确的”么？
别扯淡了，这不叫“牛逼”，这叫“任性”。
三月 23rd, 2009 at 12:11 下午
There was a law in Alabama which banned interracial marriages. Maybe it had not been enforced for some time, but the law was not abolished until a few years ago.
Last year, a guy shot at a couple in front of a local store in my town because he was infuriated that a white girl was holding hands with his black BF.
Some little friends here have no idea what 种族主义 is.
三月 23rd, 2009 at 12:17 下午
The problem was not about PC or 礼貌. The real issue was that some people wanted to impose their PC onto other people.
三月 23rd, 2009 at 12:24 下午
@北京棋迷：
1、我有黑人朋友，也有白人朋友，我并不加以区别对待。我对黑哥们说，你丫长得跟一猩猩似的。我对白哥们说，操，你们没进化完全，浑身是毛。他们不觉得是种族歧视，大家FUCK YOU一顿结束，没有人觉得受伤。
2、对于黄人，我有点种族歧视，因为我身在他们之中，所以感觉傻逼特别多。说我有针对黄种人的种族歧视，我承认。但是对于黑人，对不起，奉欠。
3、种族歧视这个字眼，背后的概念以及行为，是白人发明出来的，是他们做出来的。他们看到一幅漫画，大惊小怪，那是因为他们自己有毛病。他们欠黑人的，所以得小心翼翼。中国人不欠黑人的，就不要学这种洋毛病。一句老话：装逼也得有时有晌。许多人嚷嚷种族歧视，未必不是心下怀了我这么说就是高等华人的念头。
三月 23rd, 2009 at 12:29 下午
真TMD有病,一张图,搞到种族主义上来了.
三月 23rd, 2009 at 1:22 下午
北京棋迷也来这里了．
能找到最便宜的东西也算缺点了？完全是自己心里有鬼（当然，中国人穷得也有点太久了）自卑，别人的取笑听起来才会不舒服．记得看过汽车大王的传记，就以买到廉价T恤自得，说就因为这事儿，本来枯燥的会议开起来也精神百倍了．
克韩同学，俺反对你把answer同学列为右派，右派怎么得罪您了？您要下手这么狠？
answer同学，请马上去看心理医生．切切为盼！！
我觉得咱们讨论种族问题为时太太早了点，不过刚刚温饱，屁民屁国（屁民多的国家当然是屁国），够得上歧视的高台阶么？
三月 23rd, 2009 at 1:23 下午
哈哈
笑死啦
菜头的英语很不错啊
个人最欣赏最后一段
“By the way, is there any "Racism" for white man? Maybe A ape with albinism?”
三月 23rd, 2009 at 1:25 下午
这张图片的读者对象，或者说主要对象是不是中国人？中式的幽默，重点应该在中国部分吧，大家都不来讨论中国部分，反而去说什么让我们倍感陌生的“种族主义”，算不算跑题了？反正我个人感觉，其他部分都是陪衬，重点还是中国部分。而如果外国人非要来较真，我们又何必来解释呢？耸耸肩膀，也就过去了。反正又不是“华人与狗不得入内”的年代了。难不成他们敢发动一次战争，借口就是这张图片伤害了他们的民族感情？感觉老外好无聊，不懂中式幽默，还在这里唧唧歪歪。
跑题就是浪费时间。建议菜头多发点有价值的，少和这些无聊的人扯淡，浪费我们读你文字的时间。
三月 23rd, 2009 at 1:39 下午
歧视、鄙视、无视，这三个直接不是等同的。
开了一个让对方不爽的玩笑，就算歧视么。最多承认自己玩笑水平比较差罢了。
我也遇见过别人开我玩笑开的不爽的，也遇见过我开别人玩笑开的不爽的。
把别人开的不爽的，我去道歉；别人把我弄不爽的，想想不就是个玩笑么。
三月 23rd, 2009 at 1:58 下午
晕，和菜头自己写的英文议论文啊，强
三月 23rd, 2009 at 1:58 下午
歧视=排斥，而不=描述，ok？
否则TMD，我说奥巴马牙很白，你也会说我别有用心想说他皮肤黑，种族歧视乎？
三月 23rd, 2009 at 2:03 下午
answer Says:
三月 23rd, 2009 at 11:46 上午
下面这个贴是人民群众谈广州黑人
http://tieba.baidu.com/f?z=498141714&ct=335544320&lm=0&sc=0&rn=30&tn=baiduPostBrowser&word=%B9%E3%D6%DD&pn=0
其实没什么大道理，跟歧视乡下人，歧视残疾人，歧视新疆人，我们北方人歧视南蛮子，歧视穷鬼一个样
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这篇烂文里那个被XX的女孩 我在无数地方见过无数次，有的是说陕西的（意指西部学生上不起学只好。。。）
有说东北的（意指东北女生名声不好）
云云
今天又成湖南的了。。。
哎，要说老夫歧视什么人，那绝对歧视黄种的贵国人，造谣能力太TMD强了
三月 23rd, 2009 at 2:36 下午
比如下面这个，一个留学的女孩和实验室同事一起聊天，大家谈论起油价，当时油价很贵，于是一个男同事（白人）打趣说，咱们在这儿扯淡也扯不出城里哪儿的加油站最便宜，还是听MM（中国女孩的英文名字）的吧，她的结论最权威，因为中国人总是知道最便宜（cheap）的东西在哪儿？哈哈哈...... 然后大家哄堂大笑。
据那个MM说，那个同事和她关系很好，大家绝对不是有意的取笑他，他们的本意肯定只是活跃一下气氛幽默一把。但她当时听了，心理还是很难受。
我们是不是也能从这里面感悟点什么呢？
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这点也有同感, 公司同事老外刚开始也有人这么说, 可能本意思想开个玩笑, 但是在英文的语境里, cheap绝对不仅是汉语里东西便宜那么简单, 有些许贬义在里面, 说了几次 , 看别人脸色不对, 红着脸再也不敢说了
三月 23rd, 2009 at 3:12 下午
to C. Custer:
If you think the images posted on hecaitou’s blog - Evolution, were out of racism, then what would you think when you look at the image at the bottom of hecaitou’s blog - “Racism?”, which was originally from New York Post?!
All I can say is that you are lack of sense of humor!
PS: I have seen those images long time ago. According to what I remember, they were not created by Chinese, and your guess was right: the last one about China was added on later.
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also responded on C Custer's article directly.
C Custer没有幽默感!
三月 23rd, 2009 at 3:20 下午
论所谓无蟹可击的论说文常戴的三个表：
1. 名牌标签。如“种族主义”。
2. 以己之长，攻人之短。
3. 让步的运用。
我很佩服C. Custer 先生的见微知著，可以从几张图图里看出中国人藏出的小来。您一个外国人，不远万里来到中国，为这个和谐社会的反低速文明建设做出了超出预计的贡献。但是，希望您明白“戴高帽”和“扣大帽”的区别。就算出于热心好心，大帽扣得不对，也是冒犯，甚至是歧视－－并无有意把它上升到种族歧视的层次。
来自非洲的不一定都会打篮球，来自美国的不一定都是灌篮高手。中国人知道这个。
三月 23rd, 2009 at 5:10 下午
我们绝对没有种族主义
我们有少数民族优惠政策
三月 23rd, 2009 at 6:43 下午
racism这词用的太过了吧，其实在中国存在很多国人之间的歧视(discrimination)倒是事实。
但我愿意本着与人为善的心去理解C. Custer 先生用"Racism in China"这样的标题并非别有用心。中国的P民等着您的开化，这个世界（除了美国）也等着您开化，任重而道远，加油！
三月 23rd, 2009 at 7:17 下午
TO C. Custer:
Question 1: What makes the Africans so sensitive about their skin color though they should have been proud of that?
Chinese didn’t mean to insult the Africans by this picture, as you could see a crab is put to representing themselves in the same image.
Yeah, you could say though they didn’t mean to, or even didn’t realize how ridiculous it is by doing so, it still would hurt the feelings of the Africans. So it comes to Question 2:
Why should the Africans feel insulted by a picture like that, when everyone can see it simply a joke?
Why doesn’t the Japanese, the Korean, the Europeans or the Americans feel insulted by the same image? Why didn’t you think they should feel that way?
What makes you think just the Africans would be totally offended by it?
If it is the case as you described, one possible reason could be the Africans are made lack of confidence and even couldn’t afford a joke. The question is, by who? Of course not God, but some people and nations that regard themselves as God, and believe they could spread their opinions as social values throughout the world.
You label this particular case as racism but I couldn’t see you are more civilized than the Chinese you criticized. You obviously are well educated though, yet the Chinese do not own them debts. We no need to make up this lesson. At least in this particular picture, we treat them just as equally as any others, including ourselves.
As to the prejudice towards the Africans in China, which is actually a different topic, but comparatively, the treatments they receive from Chinese may be better than that gained from the Americans. They even receive better treatments from the government than that for the local citizens. I do not understand why noticing this disappoints you so. As you could see from the picture, we are on our way building a more “harmony society”, wearing three Rolexes. Now you are offering to donate more, but could you please manage to get the other 5 please. Maybe both Hu and Obama would sign an award for your contribution. While the Africans would be so thankful that they nominate and elect you as the chief of the continent.
So why why, why should it be regarded as and related with racism? Use your fingers to count how many people have been worshiping King Kong. Africans, as any others, deserve the respect but not the protection from some people who think they are superior and could exert absolute influence on anyone. They are independent. They have self-esteem. They have the sense of humor. They are not so narrow-minded. They are not so easy to fool. They have their opinion, but not all American rubbish. The discussion may be more productive between the Chinese and the Africans, if it is an issue to them.
So I have to say, good efforts sir, but you think too much. The Americans, if I could venture to say, in lots of cases, they are far too good at nothing but stirring up shit. BTW, here it’s just a picture, but unfortunately from your points of view, it’s shit. SHIT!!
Go find a pair of new glasses please. Since you know China so well, you know where to find cheap and good stuff—do not tell me you are so principled and never try any of them. If you do not know, check with any Chinese you bump into in the street, and I bet he/she would love to tell you, even though there does have prejudice or racism in this perfect world, especially China.
草泥马！
三月 23rd, 2009 at 10:57 下午
Racism, by definition on Merriam-Webster, is the belief that race is the primary determinant of human traits and capacities and that racial differences produce an inherent superiority of a particular race. People with racist beliefs exhibit stereotype-based prejudices towards individuals and groups of people according to their race.
种族主义与种族歧视racial discrmination有本质上的差别。对于一个种族的歧视可能是由于他们的教育程度，文化氛围，以及生活环境。但是如果认为种族之间的不同是由于种族本身的特质，那就是种族主义。
至于那个图片，确实搞笑的紧，尤其是日本那个。我觉得很难完全归于种族主义，custer有点小题大做。
btw, Custer 已经在他那篇原文后面对你的这篇文章做了回应，会关注您接下来怎么接招。
三月 24th, 2009 at 12:04 上午
As an African who have been living in China for long time (7 years), I want to thank you for this discussion, please stop insulting each other. If you think Custer is wrong by saying the image you posted on the site has a racism connotation, so explain it.
I m not blaming you to have done so but I can tell you that while you think the image is funny, it is 100% offending to Africans. So don't send it to an African expecting him to laugh.
I understand you didn t have the intention to offend Africans (and u didn t offend them).
However it's a good idea talking about such sensitive issues like racism.
Thank and I invite you to visit :
http://www.africansinchina.com . It 's About Africans In China and China Africa cooperation.
Thanks
Daniel ( my chinese name is 丹尼尔)
三月 24th, 2009 at 12:12 上午
1、我有黑人朋友，也有白人朋友，我并不加以区别对待。我对黑哥们说，你丫长得跟一猩猩似的。我对白哥们说，操，你们没进化完全，浑身是毛。他们不觉得是种族歧视，大家FUCK YOU一顿结束，没有人觉得受伤。
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你说的我都理解，其实你就是说你根本和种族主义八竿子打不着，别人把你往那联想小说是冤枉了你，大说是给你上纲上线，你很不爽，对不对？
我从来不觉得你引那个漫画是什么种族主义行为，但我觉得你的这个辩驳文章写的很不靠谱，出气是出气，但在你说是气话，是牛逼，在别人看来你这反倒是有点坐实了种族主义思想倾向了。
你这劲头，说白了就是俩字 -- “不服”，我知道你本意显然不是拿大猩猩侮辱非洲黑人，谁都看得出来那个漫画重点在最后的河蟹三表，前面都是陪衬。现在有政治警惕性高的老外出来给你上纲上线，你的第一反应肯定和我一样 -- “丫真事逼”。到此为止，都还好。
不过你又进一步牛逼了一下 -- “你不是说我侮辱黑人是黑猩猩嘛？老子我今天还就说他妈黑人是黑猩猩了，你能拿我怎么着！” 你后面说的什么非洲人的劣根性，“政治正确病”什么的，还有人说用猩猩比喻黑人是贬低猩猩什么的一大堆，“借风撒邪”而已。
就像李敖说的，不能服软，有人说你偷汉子，你要是说我没偷你冤枉我，这就被动了，不牛逼了。相反你要是理直气壮的说：“老娘就是偷汉子了，而且不止一个，你说我偷的这个是哪个？” 到时候不知所措的就是对方了，于是你主动了，你牛逼了 -- 代价是惹了一身骚 -- 没偷汉子的自认偷汉子，没种族歧视的偏发表一大堆种族主义言论......
这值么？
三月 24th, 2009 at 12:16 上午
@北京棋迷：
当然值，怎么不值？傻逼觉得摸不得，老子就反复摸给你看，摸到丫抓狂。
三月 24th, 2009 at 12:17 上午
这点也有同感, 公司同事老外刚开始也有人这么说, 可能本意思想开个玩笑, 但是在英文的语境里, cheap绝对不仅是汉语里东西便宜那么简单, 有些许贬义在里面, 说了几次 , 看别人脸色不对, 红着脸再也不敢说了
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其实汉语里cheap也是骂人的话，cheap的本意是“贱”，对吧？所谓“便宜”其实是“贱”的委婉表达。
也许“贱”这个字一开始没有贬义，“谷贱伤农”。但用的多了，就有了贬义，使用上也就逐渐特化，从一个中性表达价格便宜的形容词变成了口语里专门用来骂人的贬义词。于是为了避免误会，咱们在口语里又找了个词“便宜”来替代它。
三月 24th, 2009 at 12:21 上午
@丹尼尔:
I think Custer is so sensitive that he is going to be the Princess on the Pea.
三月 24th, 2009 at 12:27 上午
和菜头
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你写文章本来是要表达记录点什么的，现在纯粹变成和别人斗嘴发泄的工具了，我觉得这就不值了。
嬉笑怒骂皆成文章，我觉得那是说写文章表达主旨的时候可以顺便嬉笑怒骂一下，就是说咱们在试图解决问题的同时还要enjoy这个过程。
就像前几天我看Mentalist里女人问男人，说你刚才说的那一大堆无助于解决任何问题，男人回答说，我知道，但是我说了那堆话很爽哇！
对吧？你说话其实是在爽嘴爽心，就好比骂人傻逼其实你是在enjoy这个过程，这我早看出来了。可不是所有人都看得出来，他们真以为你在认真讲你自己的道理呢 -- 为了自己enjoy就让和你无冤无仇的人不爽，这又何必呢？
虽然你这无所厚非，但我觉得有时候爽也应该追求比较高的层次。就像棋迷努力提高棋艺，虽然棋艺提高了成了高手，可以enjoy骂人臭棋篓子的乐趣，但你会发现，当你真成了高手，你也就不屑于骂骂臭棋篓子的那点乐趣了。
三月 24th, 2009 at 12:36 上午
@北京棋迷：
别试图把我往高层次里带，我累，我就喜欢骂臭棋篓子。
《阳光灿烂的日子》结尾，米兰问马小军：你觉得这有劲么？
我的答案和马小军一样。
三月 24th, 2009 at 12:55 上午
我只是说说我自己的个人看法，我可不敢把你往高了推，调门高了，要求也就高了，难度就会变大，也少了好多乐趣，对吧？
不过，有高级点的追求和唱高调赚吆喝还是不一样的。下棋的谁高谁低，谁有追求没追求，一比就看出来了，谁都没话说。
意识形态上就没这么简单了，所以我也不敢说哪个更好，我只是比较老套，觉得别人没得罪我就犯不着给他添堵，己所不欲勿施于人什么的，而且我觉得判断他人的立场观点乃至智商，其实都是很复杂的，你还不知道人家到底是不是傻逼呢，就一句“傻逼”先骂出去了，万一你错了呢？
三月 24th, 2009 at 12:58 上午
@北京棋迷：
合着你觉得人没得罪我，是我不依不饶？
这样说的话，我大概一点没错，绝无瑕疵。
三月 24th, 2009 at 1:01 上午
answer很不错，发神经发的有水平，菜头的博客里真是什么人都能见
三月 24th, 2009 at 1:45 上午
和菜头就是一大孩子，不小心摔了家里的碗一定要妈妈同意他有意摔碗也没错，把家里的碗都摔碎了也没错，别说他是无意的了，呵呵。
三月 24th, 2009 at 3:26 上午
和菜头请你正面回复一下Daniel Hakizimana的评论
三月 24th, 2009 at 10:14 上午
至于么？说“非洲人进化来进化去还是黑猩猩”最多算辱骂非洲人，怎么跟“歧视”扯上关系了？话说，你气急败坏的时候还骂你老婆骂你老子呢，你歧视你老婆你老子吗？
三月 24th, 2009 at 12:39 下午
好的。Whether it is the American white man's shame for what he did to the African blacks (with lots of help from African blacks, Arabs, and Europeans, by the way), or Chinese fathers selling their own daughters into prostitution for a handful of money, the fact is that slavery is a part of the background of ALL humans. Let's learn from it and try to end ALL forms of slavery.
三月 24th, 2009 at 5:29 下午
菜头的英文也很辣。赞那句"made in U.S. taboo".
三月 24th, 2009 at 7:14 下午
朋友们-
我认为很多读者不理解C。 Custer 的道理。 他不是说中国人很有种族歧视，中国人不文明，中国人没素质，等等。反而他的意思就是将来中国和非洲会有越来越多合作。 中国人无论有没有族种歧视这样的笑话对黑人可能非常敏感。
不过，搂住我想问你几个问题
你说
1、None of my race ever caught and shiped any single black man from Africa to China as slave. So I can make fun of them, just as they can make fun of me. So, What the damn "Racism" is?
大部分的非洲奴隶是被别的黑人抓出来了，然后卖给白人。所以根据你的逻辑黑人也不能取笑别的黑人。可是中国人因为他们没有抓运黑人所以他们可以取笑？ 对吧？
2、There is no any single black man in China has been treated differently. They can take any bus as they want, enter any college as they wish, date any girl as they like. So, What the damn "Racism" is?
你有没有认识到跟中国女孩一起谈恋爱的黑人？ 有没有跟她的父母谈过异族婚姻的？哈，没有那么简单，没有那么简单。
三月 24th, 2009 at 7:25 下午
@Ben Ross：
您能用英文表述一遍么？我看不懂您的中文究竟是什么意思，也看不出内在的逻辑关联。
三月 24th, 2009 at 7:46 下午
@和菜头
I think you're missing the point of C. Custer's post. He's not saying Chinese people are racist. He's posing the question "To what extent is this a manifestation of racism?" His point as that racist or not, China needs to be more sensitive to what might be offensive to Africans.
You say that:
1、None of my race ever caught and shiped any single black man from Africa to China as slave. So I can make fun of them, just as they can make fun of me. So, What the damn "Racism" is?
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This logic is a little scrupulous, since most black slaves were caught by other blacks (usually from different tribes) and sold to white traders. So then, by your argument, blacks should not be able to make fun of blacks either, but it is ok for Chinese to do so, since they were not involved in the slave trade.
You say that:
2、There is no any single black man in China has been treated differently. They can take any bus as they want, enter any college as they wish, date any girl as they like. So, What the damn "Racism" is?
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Have you ever met an African who was dating a Chinese girl? Ever talked to the parents and asked what they felt about their daughter marrying/dating a black guy? It's not so simple.
adendum: (This was not in the original Chinese post)
Personally, I believe there is racism everywhere, in every country, with every nationality. It's an inevitability of humanity, and comes in various forms (race, sex, religion, social class, etc.) Usually the worst instances of racism are among individuals/groups who maintain that it does not exist. The key to curbing racism is first to accept that it exists, and secondly expose oneself to others of different races, sexes, religions, social classes, etc. and the sensitivities that they might have.
Personally, I do not believe that the original cartoon is necessarily indicative of racism. In fact, I am very much in agreement with the author of this post that PCness has gotten completely out of hand in the United States. However, I do know that to many people, this cartoon would be extremely offensive, and a harsh reminder of a racist past. Therefore, I would not knowingly pass it on to others. This is the crux of C. Custer's argument. He's not saying Chinese are necessarily racist. Rather, he is saying that maybe Chinese people should be more sensitive to issues which might not be sensitive to them but might be sensitive to others. You could say the same thing for Westerners towards Chinese people as well.
三月 24th, 2009 at 11:23 下午
与C. Custer唱反调的，多是没看他原文，或者没看懂的。
谢谢C. Custer 和 Ben Ross。欢迎你们，还有Daniel hakizimana来中国
三月 24th, 2009 at 11:41 下午
合着你觉得人没得罪我，是我不依不饶？
这样说的话，我大概一点没错，绝无瑕疵。
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至少我觉着Custer没得罪你，他就是那你当了个典型，说“看，中国人在racism这类问题上不够敏感，我觉得他们应该敏感些”。 这话在你听来，就是他拿你上纲上线了。本来幽默一下，结果让人给上纲上限，当然忒不爽，所以你就抓狂了。
三月 25th, 2009 at 12:05 上午
@Ben Ross：
谢谢，看你的英文觉得通顺多了。
我的论点刚好是“China needs not to be more sensitive to what might be offensive to Africans. ”
中国本没有种族歧视，在这方面，这个民族如同一个纯真的小孩子。而所谓的“more sensitive”，就像在一个孩子7岁时告诉他如何使用避孕套，如何避免受到性的诱惑，如何避免堕落为淫荡。这么做，性最终往往会成为一个真正的问题。
当所谓的“more sensitive”成为普遍认识的时候，本来没有的种族意识也就真的扎下根来。more sensitive意味着自我压抑，自我检查，以及小心翼翼的相处。在我看来，这种more sensitive正是培养种族意识的温床。它刻意地提醒我们，大家彼此不同，隶属不同的种族。每时每刻训练我们，随时意识到种族区别的存在。
这就像美国现在的情形一样。政治正确并不能保证族群冲突时暴力事件的发生，在情况允许的情况下，不同族群会动用所有暴力手段彼此伤害，发泄怒火。所以我说，什么时候好莱坞可以拿黑人的肤色开玩笑了，什么时候这个国家的种族问题也就消失了。
基于同样的理由，我不能赞同你的观点。
此外，既然行在中国的路上，那么，麻烦按照中国的行事规则来。这里没有种族歧视，那么就不要灌输和强化这个概念。
三月 25th, 2009 at 12:07 上午
@北京棋迷：
要全世界都和美国人民一样神经质，我觉得这大概就够神经质的了。
三月 25th, 2009 at 12:45 上午
中国没有种族歧视？？？为啥不回应上面那位非洲朋友的发言呢？
估计如果没有上世纪60年代的人权运动，很多美国白人也不认为美国有什么种族歧视。
三月 25th, 2009 at 12:54 上午
@SM：
针对黑人的没有，针对我们少数民族的有。
请你在你的Blog上去谈这个问题，我会去看的。
谢谢！
三月 25th, 2009 at 1:19 上午
那人是较真了，不过你更是较真了，有点过分了。。。
道个歉有那么难么？
三月 26th, 2009 at 10:34 上午
@和菜头
我是黑人住在中国。你有没有搞错，针对黑人没有*o*。你要赶快提高你种族歧视的定义。我完全同意很多中国人不够敏感什么可以得罪黑人。这不是小问题啊。
三月 26th, 2009 at 10:41 上午
@SH：
饭店服务生不向你提供服务？还是法律规定你只能在巴士后排？或是公司只雇佣白人和黄人?
三月 26th, 2009 at 1:16 下午
你不如说“我挨过饿，知道什么是歧视，你挨过饿吗？”
三月 26th, 2009 at 7:47 下午
和菜头 Says:
三月 26th, 2009 at 10:41 上午
@SH：
饭店服务生不向你提供服务？还是法律规定你只能在巴士后排？或是公司只雇佣白人和黄人?
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种族歧视的表现形式可能是多样的吧，除了以上这些最严重的形式，还有语言上的，文化上的，很多的吧。
像中国这种地域歧视，身份歧视，学历歧视都这么厉害的国家，怎么可能没有种族歧视。不能因为没有人研究过，没有理论化的表述，就说不存在吧。
三月 26th, 2009 at 7:52 下午
不过菜头很固执的怀着一个“世界大同，不分种族”，甚至连“种族”这个概念也想把它模糊掉的梦想，也很。。。让人看着也挺心酸的，呵呵
三月 27th, 2009 at 12:39 上午
不同种族的人甚至人都不认识就可以互相开玩笑然后fuck you一顿结束才是真的消除种族歧视。
但是。。。咱们还没发展到那个阶段呢。。。
三月 27th, 2009 at 2:24 下午
@和菜头
我相信你没有种族歧视但你不代表所有的人。
我还相信你会同意我的观点很多中国人认为西方国家（白人）不够敏感什么可以得罪中国（黄人）。
我怀疑大部分的这个感觉是因为自卑情结而不是因为什么西方真正的要控制或看不起中国人（强调‘大部分‘）。
你必须承认中国也有对黑人的种族歧视，种族和性别歧视是人类的本性。只是因为法律和教育，这些罪恶不会公开的进行。比如在巴士里不愿意跟我坐在一起有的但我承认少。
不愿意跟我结婚的也不少，等等。这些不算歧视吗？。只要一个人是外国的他会受到某种形式的歧视或偏见。
最重要的是如果一个人可以承认和接受他自己国家也有而还了解怎样处理自己的偏见并尽力让每个人不管
颜色在自己国家觉得又舒服又欢迎。用一个猴子在图片里作为黑人会得罪很多黑人这个也是例子。
三月 27th, 2009 at 2:32 下午
@SH：
如果一定要别人和你坐在一起，那叫绑架。
如果一定要姑娘嫁给你，那叫强奸。
请分清楚你的意愿和别人的意愿之间的关系，而且，这些伤害了你什么利益了？
你是黑人，我是白族人，在中国都是极少数的人群。如果我也如同你一般敏感，那我大概一天都呆不下去。
三月 27th, 2009 at 6:00 下午
I think the idea that foreigners should be treated at certain standards is in fact the components of racism
It is your character that you show hospitality to others
It is also your freedom that you like to invite frds and frds of your frds to come over your place to have a party
But it doesn't necessarily mean I have to act like you do.
I dunno but if you expect to be treated in every sense the same as in your own country why bother to come to a "foreign" country?
Being treated differently can be interpreted as being discriminated but it takes a long long way to reach racism
我係香港人
三月 27th, 2009 at 6:04 下午
@Shing：
好犀利。
三月 27th, 2009 at 7:01 下午
@和
你好, 小弟其實是一位高中教師, 在網上瀏覽題目時碰巧去到custer的blog再連到這裡
坦白說小弟沒有看blog的習慣, 因為小弟覺得(no offence+not personal) blog就是一個給一班臭味相投的人一起自慰的地方, 老外的是, 你的也是
可惜那天到老外家裡看到人家說亞洲有碼真是tmd吊癮, 看得多都變早洩, 還是歐美無碼的爽, 略有微言的我當然被射得滿面都是, 只能怪自己自取其咎
但是好客的老外到了別人家裡, 明明就是放亞洲有碼, 明明就是賣弄那yamede的床叫, 自己看得不爽就強要主人家放歐美無碼, 不行放的話就說主人家歧視歐美女性, 那未免有點兒太過了...
對不起, 自己剛剛也洩了一點出來, 老兄介意的話回頭清理一下
三月 28th, 2009 at 10:30 上午
我认为中国人那里可以用非洲的图片。albino ape is chinese isnt it?
三月 28th, 2009 at 10:45 上午
"I think the idea that foreigners should be treated at certain standards is in fact the components of racism
It is your character that you show hospitality to others
It is also your freedom that you like to invite frds and frds of your frds to come over your place to have a party
But it doesn't necessarily mean I have to act like you do.
I dunno but if you expect to be treated in every sense the same as in your own country why bother to come to a "foreign" country?
Being treated differently can be interpreted as being discriminated but it takes a long long way to reach racism
我係香港人
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多文化不应该只是自己的国家的习惯
you have the freedom to say black people are ugly monkeys but the international society will look down on you
im black and im offended.
三月 28th, 2009 at 11:18 上午
你搞错了，中国人也有过。
Sorry but you are wrong. Chinese also had african slaves.
"Beginning in the Tang dynasty, Arab traders brought a number of East African slaves to China. Although historians have studied the African slave trade extensively, particularly the export of West African slaves to the Americas after 1500, a much smaller body of research focuses on the premodern East African slave trade, and fewer sources still mention black slaves in China.
From the eighth to the fourteenth centuries; the Arabs controlled this vast slave trade, which stretched not only along the entire coast of East Africa and throughout the Arab world but as far east as China. Black slaves were just one of many commodities in the Arabs' large-scale maritime trade with China, which peaked during the Tang and Song dynasty (960-1275).
The Jiu Tang shu 舊唐書 (Former Tang history) mentions that the Arabs sent delegates to the Chinese court in 651, marking the first recorded official contact between the Chinese government and the Arab caliphate. By the ninth century, a sizable community of Arabs lived in Guangzhou, and the local residents could have seen African slaves on trading ships and in Arab homes. Some wealthy Chinese people even owned African slaves, whom they used as doorkeepers."
Source: The Magical Kunlun and "Devil Slaves": Chinese Perceptions of Dark-skinned People and Africa before 1500
三月 30th, 2009 at 8:16 上午
No one living in a city you called international, or not, is obliged to show positive towards anyone's living habit, foreigner or not.
And I didnt mention anythingg about you looking ape so don't accuse me of sth I didn't say or imply
有病
三月 30th, 2009 at 12:29 下午
发生多的话会伤害我的自由还伤害我的尊严。
在大部分的中国我可以自由的过日子不会理一些素质差的人但是有些地方的确有歧视包括香港（最严重）。
我第一次去香港旅游我以为香港真是一个国际大都市很快就发现很多对黑人有偏见。
饭店里不愿意给我服务有出租车不愿意给我服务有我问路的时候不少的人帕我，有一些根本不理我。
帕跟我接近不少。一开始我就想香港人怎么这么粗鲁，时间长了我就怀疑种族偏见。
我回大陆的时候我就问我几个朋友他们的感受。白人一般讲没有什么种族歧视。我的一个印度朋友认为香港人
是世界上最有种族歧视的。
我对香港的印象变了好多。那是十年前。
在大陆一般我没遇到过这种事情。但是有些地方还是有不少的人怕跟我接近。
我一坐他立刻站起来换位子这个发上的少，一般是先找其他位子可以坐。
有些一发现有个黑人在他们周围就变得紧张离我远一点。有一次我的一个女的朋友一发现这个就大声讲这些人有病。
我的几个黑人外教朋友（包括来自美国的）都说在他们那一行有歧视。
这种事情偶尔发上我还可以接受发上多了我就难受。
所以在中国某些地方我不愿意住。
三月 31st, 2009 at 4:24 上午
ahh , funny to see that a part of the world doesn't feels guilty for what africans are.
Dear chinese , after learning much about how white people becomes so "ethno-masochistic" and seems willing to diseapper , I could advice you to never let a jew being called a chinese
港人
三月 31st, 2009 at 11:55 下午
Hello Chinese people,
as you may know by now, the White Race is doomed. As Hitler foreseen it, we are invaded by Negros, and dominated by Jews.
When then will have finished with us, it will be your turn...
港人
五月 17th, 2009 at 7:01 下午
Shing, sorry i can't understand your english? I think me's point is correct. 你能翻译一下吗
六月 30th, 2009 at 10:17 上午
I feel deeply offended by this image despite the fact that I do recognise its comic intent. However, I must say that I am not so impressed by how literally some people look at this. The fact that the rest of the world thinks they are better than us has not eluded me, that they have nothing better to do with us than take what we have burns me.
沙鸥 Says:
"Question 1: What makes the Africans so sensitive about their skin color though they should have been proud of that?
Chinese didn’t mean to insult the Africans by this picture, as you could see a crab is put to representing themselves in the same image."
He/she asks several well directed yet misguided questions. First of all 沙鸥 what do you know of Africa, for one think it is vast with people varying in so many ways your semi-cooked mind would fry. One thing I know about us is that wherever we are, we want to make a living, want to be happy, want to love and enjoy life. you say we can't take a joke? For how long have we been jokes to this world, how long have we taken it all lying down? I do not appreciate being called an ape even though you think it's funny.
I am african we are farmers, miners, healers and worriers, we have cultures. So much of what were supposed to be has been taken from us and now I have to be made fun of by some pencildicked asian? Do you think it is fair that I attack your race about your race just because I think it is funny? I am black and I love it. I will sleep with your women just to prove it, change my name to "fuckwell" and they will never let you forget that.
I believe that african evolution was disturbed,we had our own destiny with time. but somone thought it a good idea to ship us all over the world. Now they turn around and cry foul when we dominate. And believe me, it is only a matter of time, probably not in yours or my lifetime. We will take over the world.
九月 17th, 2009 at 1:34 下午
我是美国黑人
I am a black American married to a Chinese woman. I find your pictures and jokes of us very disrespectful.
You say you are not racist, but if we were in the street would you have showed me that picture. Would you have told me this to my face?
In the 1970's and 80's China was a horrible country. Now you have a little money and you want to become what you hated.
Didn't Japanese treat you the same way mentally as you are treating us.
You are so busy slamming the USA that you forgot that if it weren't for the USA you wouldn't be typing on a computer because we invented it.
Name one thing that the Chinese have invented in the last 200 years?
Oh I thought so....And you are calling me an Ape...
九月 17th, 2009 at 4:17 下午
@aquimini：
My dear American Black man, if you insist:
Is Gates or Jobs an American Black man? We invented it. What a big WE ？！
九月 27th, 2009 at 4:14 上午
我抢的不是沙发，而是寂寞
I was reading your discussion and I want to contribute a little bit. I am an African who lives in China for many years. I cannot say that chinese are racist or not because I have got many chinese friends. At the same time some chinese will even not dare to talk to me. I can understand. Racism as you have been discussing about must be put into context. Racism rely in a simple but deep reflex:" You are not me, You are different from me, I don't like You because I don't know You". when we speak of racism we are not speaking or natural or physical boundaries or differences, we are speaking of psychological barriers. So, in any culture we will have discrimination because many people will not accept "You". Our aim is to break the barriers. Instead of discussing we should come together try to know each other and I am sure that we can win. For that, many pages of history have to be rewritten to give credit to whom it is due in the building of human civilization wether in Africa, Europe America, or Asia. I am confident because we have the strength and all the tools to make it happen. So, this image that I saw is not helpful in this context.
九月 27th, 2009 at 4:23 上午
我是非洲人
I was reading your discussion and I want to contribute a little bit. I am an African who lives in China for many years. I cannot say that chinese are racist or not because I have got many chinese friends. At the same time some chinese will even not dare to talk to me. I can understand. Racism as you have been discussing about must be put into context. Racism rely in a simple but deep reflex:" You are not me, You are different from me, I don't like You because I don't know You". when we speak of racism we are not speaking or natural or physical boundaries or differences, we are speaking of psychological barriers. So, in any culture we will have discrimination because many people will not accept "You". Our aim is to break the barriers. Instead of discussing we should come together try to know each other and I am sure that we can win. For that, many pages of history have to be rewritten to give credit to whom it is due in the building of human civilization wether in Africa, Europe America, or Asia. I am confident because we have the strength and all the tools to make it happen. So, this image that I saw is not helpful in this context.
十一月 2nd, 2009 at 12:12 上午
大家好！
N'dji comment strikes a balanced tone, and I agree it's important not to get too worked up on these sorta issues, but I think it comes down to the fact that, to quote N'dji, "At the same time some chinese will even not dare to talk to me": as a white foreigner, even in deep in rural China, I do not experience this - people are generally very talkative and approachable. I have never found anybody scared of me. I have been insulted (some might say racially abused) when I've been with my Chinese girlfriend, but it was by a drunk youth...
Information is strictly controlled in China, and culturally it has always been an inward-looking country, and its so large that many of the population have little contact with external influences. There seems to be a tendency to understand things using stereotypes and cultural inferences - of course this is true of nearly everybody wherever they're from to a degree, but China conforms to this idea more strongly than most places I've been.
Dark skin is looked down upon in Chinese culture in general, so the prejudice could stem from the general idea that dark skin = working outdoors = peasant = unsuccessful/dirty. Ironically, having tanned skin is fashionable in western societies in which its seen as a sign of affluence and evidence of being well-off enough to holiday and spend leisure time outdoors/in different environments...
China is not a very cosmopolitan society, and clearly has a lot of ethnic issues; but when any criticism such as this is raised, the often hostile, defensive and nationalistic reactions of Chinese frequently prevent any meaningful debate.